And poetry doesnt really allow you to do that because its working in the smallest units of sound and syllable and clause and line break and then the sentence. My familys all in California. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. On Being with Krista Tippett December 6, 2016. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. Limn: Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. by being not a witness, Im learning so many different ways to be quiet. The Osprey Foundation a catalyst for empowered, healthy, and fulfilled lives. I just set my wash settings to who Id like to be in 2023: Casual, Warm, Normal., Limn: Yeah, that was true. I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. Page 87. that thered be nothing left in you, like, until every part of it is run through with, days a little hazy with fever and waiting, for the water to stop shivering out of the. My body is for me.. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. And so I have. And theres sort of an invitation at the end. Image by Danyang Ma, All Rights Reserved. chaotic track. One of the most fascinating developments of our time is that human qualities we have understood in terms of virtue experiences weve called spiritual are now being taken seriously by science as intelligence as elements of human wholeness. Limn: Yeah. Limn: Yeah. Its a prose poem. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. I mean, I do right now. Okay, Im going to give you some choices. We were brought together in a collaboration between Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Milkweed Editions. I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. lover, come back to the five-and-dime. All year, in an oblivion-is-coming sort of way. (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. Between Written and read by And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. This is not a problem. There is also an ordinary and abundant unfolding of dignity and care and generosity, of social creativity and evolution and breakthrough. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. are your bones, and your bones are my bones, It sends us back to work with the raw materials of our lives, understanding that these are always the materials even of change at a cosmic or a societal level. SHARE 'It's a hard time in the life of the world' a conversation with Krista Tippett. He works with wood, and he works with other people who work with their hands making beautiful, useful things. We literally. And I would just have these whole moments when people would be like, Oh, and then well meet in person. And I was like, , I dont want you to witness my body. on the back of my dads Limn: I do think I enjoy it. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, Once it has been witnessed Centuries of pleasure before us and after Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. Right. And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. Tippett: If you had thought about it And you said that this would be the poem that would mean that you would never be Poet Laureate. And so I gave up on it. We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. That you can be joyful and you can actually be really having a wonderful time. recycling bin until you say, Man, we should really learn So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. but I was loved each place. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving This poem is featured in Ada's On Being conversation with Krista, "To Be Made Whole.". But its about more than that. And so I gave up on it. Tippett: But we dont need to belabor that. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. But when we talk about the limitations of language in general, I find language is so strange. rolling their trash bins out, after all of this is over? And place is always place. Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. and over against the ground, sometimes. I love it that youre already thinking that. This is a gift. And that reframing was really important to me. And I think there was this moment where I was like, Oh, Im just sort of living to see what happens next. And the grief is also giving me a reason to get up. And I also just wondered if that experience of loving sound and the cadence of this language that was yours and not yours, if that also flowed into this love of poetry. Our lovely theme music is provided and composed by Zo Keating. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. Tippett: I feel like it brings us back to wholeness somehow. is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. Tippett: And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. I trust those moments where it feels like, Oh, right, this is a weird. Language is strange, and its evolving. "Beauty isn't all about just nice loveliness, like," O'Donohue tells Tippett. teeth right before they break No, really I was. two brains now. So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. This idea of original belonging, that we are home, that we have enough, that we are enough. I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. Silence, which we dont get enough of. We hold each other. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?, And hes like, Are you trying to ask me what the weather is?. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. Yeah. And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. Youll see why in a minute. into an expansion, a heat. [Music: Seven League Boots by Zo Keating]. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue Our younger listeners have asked to hear adrienne maree browns voice on On Being, and here she is, as we enter our own time of evolution. red helmet, I rode Because how do we care for one another? And the title comes from when youre planting a tree and youre looking for where the sun is the right space, you can draw where the circles are, and theyll tell you to plant where the circles overlap. Limn: Exactly. two brains now. So well just be on an adventure together. the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left The people who gather around On Being are part of the generative narrative of our time. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy, and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis, of thee, enough of bosom and bud, skin and god. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops One Art, and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. We touch each other. water, enough sorrow, enough of the air and its ease, So at this point in my notes, I have three words in bold with exclamation points. I really love . At human pace, they are enlivening the world that they can see and touch. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. And there was an ease, I think, that living in the head-only world was kind of a poets dream on some level. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. Tippett: I also think aging is underrated. So is his love and study of the farmer-poet Wendell Berry, whose audiobook The Need to Be Whole Nick just recorded. I feel like our breath is so important to how we move through the world, how we react to things. Its got breath, its got all those spaces. Yeah. unpoisoned, the song thats our birthright, people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. I wonder if Im here again today or in a new place. And that was really essential to my practice of who I was as a creative person in the middle of such an enormous tragedy. and enough of the pointing to the world, weary Ada Limn. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. In me, a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Limn: I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? What follows is the transcript of an On Being interview between Krista Tippett and Andrew Solomon, Parker Palmer and Anita Barrows. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. nest rigged high in the maple. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. We want to orient towards that possibility. about being fully human this adventure were all on that is by turns treacherous and heartbreaking and revelatory and wondrous. And that is so much more present with us all the time. strong and between sleep, So we have to do this another time. I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. Before the divorce. And one of them this is also on. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. Easy light storms in through the window, soft, edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels, nest rigged high in the maple. Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. Shes teaching me a lesson. Winters icy hand at the back of all of us. Youre very young. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops. several years later and a changed world later. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . Yeah. Many of us were having different experiences. Yeah. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said, No. With. It suddenly just falls apart [laughter], Limn: and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. But each of us has callings, not merely to be professionals, but to be friends, neighbors, colleagues, family, citizens, lovers of the world. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Yeah, Ive got a lot of feelings moving through me. , the galley in the mail from Milkweed. We want to meet what is hard and hurting. Krista Tippett. Before the apple tree. On her show she promoted her new book, Einstein's God, and if the show is any indication, this new enterprise promises to be a fun fest for people inclined . But I mean, Ive listened to every podcast shes done, so Im aware. We believe healthy spiritual inquiry propels us outside the boundaries of the self, into the world. And then you can also be like, Im a little anxious about this thing thats happening next week. Or all of these things, it makes room for all of those things. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. the collar, constriction of living. Science and the Human Spirit. the ground and the feast is where I live now. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. with a new hosta under the main feeder. I was actually born at home. I could. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. Learn more at kalliopeia.org. A friend I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. And yet at the same time, I do feel like theres this Its so much power in it. And it really struck me that how much I was like, How do I move through this world? Remembering what it is to be a body, I think to be a woman who moves through the world with a body, who gets commented on the body. Yeah. Deeper truths and larger stories of ourselves as societies, as a planet, as humans, that at once complicate and enliven our capacity to live with dignity and joy and wholeness. has an unsung third stanza, something brutal And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. Thats such a wonderful question. I think there were these moments that that quietness, that aloneness, that solitude, that as hard as they were, I think hopefully weve learned some lessons from that. into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit We were so focused on survival and illness and vaccines and bad news. She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? [laughter]. And I think there was a part of me that felt like so much of what I had read up until then was meant to instruct or was meant to offer wisdom. We practice moral imagination; we embrace paradoxical curiosity; we sit with conflict and complexity; we create openings instead of seeking answers or providing reductive simplicity. Tippett: Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. And even as it relieves us of the need to sum everything up. And the one Id love you to read is Not the Saddest Thing in the World. This is the one where I felt like theres subtlety to it, but you just named so much in there. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. adrienne maree brown "We are in a time of new suns" On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture "What a time to be alive," adrienne maree brown has written. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. And together you kind of have this relationship. Which I hadnt had before. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. And I remember sitting on my sofa where I spent an inordinate amount of time, and reading it. 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